Tina asks:

Why do kids have such a hard time distinguishing between sides and angles? They are so different in my mind, I don’t even know how to explain the difference.

Thoughts?

[Re: the title, I know I’m not the only one who has seen “vertical” misspelled in every possible way.]

It’s easy to say that this is sloppiness on the part of the student. And maybe it is. But it’s the sort of sloppy mistake that I would *rarely* make, and that beginners often make, which leads me to think that there’s something else going on here as well.

We’ve talked about reading on this site before, and it’s something that I don’t know a ton about. But it seems to me that part of “looking for and making use of structure” is something like what I’m trying to get at. If you’re really experienced at math, then you start seeing a problem like this as rigidly structured into two separate and equal expressions. I’d bet that for a student that doesn’t have a lot of experience with these sorts of problems that sort of structure is less apparent, and this sort of mistake is less apparent.

Did that make any sense?

[Thanks to Nora for the submission!]

These are from my classroom, and a little bit of context might be helpful:

- This is from a very strong Honors class.
- Proof, right now, means something less formal in our Geometry class than it might mean in yours’. Proof doesn’t mean “Statements/Reasons.” Proof means offering an explanation for why something is true.
- We do this because it’s just as rigorous without crushing the souls of anyone in the classroom. Look at the array and variety of reasoning going on in these proofs. By keeping things less formal, we’ve got enough breathing room to actually do some Geometric thinking.
- As the year has been going on, though, we’re getting more and more rigorous. These exercises help reveal some sloppiness in the kids reasoning. These proofs fail by their
*own*standards of explanation. I’m thinking that I’ll be printing these out and handing them back for discussion. This is exactly what my English teachers friend does with essays.

Feel free to comment wildly here, either on my standards, some of my bulletted statements, or about any of the student work.

Fundamental misunderstanding. Why? Calling @mpershan pic.twitter.com/OyU6PE9aoP

— Marshall Thompson (@MTChirps) October 15, 2013

@mpershan It's a generally bright girl who doesn't usually guess. There seems to be a disconnect in applying the angle props to conditionals

— Marshall Thompson (@MTChirps) October 15, 2013

@MTChirps @mpershan Student might have thought that both statements couldn't be true (because that would be too easy).

— Dave Radcliffe (@daveinstpaul) October 15, 2013

@mpershan @MTChirps @MrPoliquin But rules of implication may be at heart of the error rather than knowledge of angles. And maybe guessing.

— Christopher (@Trianglemancsd) October 15, 2013

@MTChirps Does she know that the converse often doesn't follow from the conditional? Maybe she thinks the converse is always trouble.

— Michael Pershan (@mpershan) October 15, 2013

Your thoughts?

Let’s take for granted that these students don’t have conceptual understanding of the Pythagorean Theorem, because if they did, then they wouldn’t make these mistakes. (I actually think that we need to be more careful with the ways that we toss around phrases like “conceptual understanding” but whatever.)

What do these mistakes reveal about how these kids think about right triangles and the Pythagorean Theorem in the *absence* of conceptual understanding? Why does this ever make sense to the student?

Thanks to Michael Fenton for the submission!

These are some “Always, Sometimes, Never” questions. Like, “Is it always, sometimes or never true that a rhombus is a parallelogram.”

What’s the fastest way to help these students?

(Thanks for the submission, Tina C!)